{"id":32221,"date":"2026-01-26T03:00:00","date_gmt":"2026-01-26T02:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"2ccc76a8-f7cb-4e42-9740-cbc5ca51e2ae"},"modified":"2026-02-01T12:16:15","modified_gmt":"2026-02-01T11:16:15","slug":"from-backlinks-to-source-optimization-interview-with-matthaeus-michalik-on-off-page-geo","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/en\/from-backlinks-to-source-optimization-interview-with-matthaeus-michalik-on-off-page-geo\/","title":{"rendered":"From backlinks to source optimization: Interview with Matth\u00e4us Michalik on off-page GEO"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_small\" id=\"podcast\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><p>&#8220;Where can I, as a brand, take place on external platforms?&#8221; We discuss this with Matth\u00e4us Michalik, because AI systems often access external sources from the internet. What are these sources and what opportunities do companies have to influence them?   <\/p>\n<p>Matth\u00e4us is a well-established figure in the SEO industry and is intensively involved with Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). Source optimization is a new interface topic between off-page SEO, digital PR, affiliate marketing and own content marketing. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;There are voices that say that GEO is ultimately just SEO &#8211; only repackaged. But we see strong differences here,&#8221; he says right at the beginning. From there, we talk about source optimization, but also about prompt research, the tool landscape, organizational challenges and much more.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_custom\" style=\"height:32px\"><\/div><div class=\"wpb_text_column inhaltsverzeichnis\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h3>Topics on this Page<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"#gast\">Our guest Matth\u00e4us Michalik<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#seogeo\">Offpage SEO vs. Offpage GEO<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#quellen\">What sources are used by AI systems?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#datenprobleme\">Data problems of the new AI monitoring tools<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div 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The online marketing agency has around 80 employees and is based in Berlin. Matth\u00e4us has been a speaker at SEO conferences for many years. Anyone who speaks to him immediately notices: Matth\u00e4us is passionate about his topics and the AI \u200b\u200brevolution. With his team, he sets up his own tests and speaks at conferences about successful digital PR campaigns, among other things.    <\/p>\n<p>Claneo is one of the agencies that openly enter the new field of AI optimization &#8211; even though so much is still unclear. This is not a matter of course, because in the industry many experienced SEO colleagues regard the new field of Generative Engine Optimization as hype. <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/matthaeus-michalik\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Matth\u00e4us Michalik on LinkedIn<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Reading tip: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.claneo.com\/de\/blog\/test-case-wie-einfach-lassen-sich-ki-systeme-beeinflussen-prompt-injection\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Prompt Injection Test by Claneo<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"w-image style_shadow-1 align_none\"><div class=\"w-image-h\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"859\" height=\"681\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Matthaus-Michaelik-GEO-AEO-Expert-Germany.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Matth\u00e4us Michalik, Co-Founder und Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrer von Claneo\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Matthaus-Michaelik-GEO-AEO-Expert-Germany.jpg 859w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Matthaus-Michaelik-GEO-AEO-Expert-Germany-300x238.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Matthaus-Michaelik-GEO-AEO-Expert-Germany-150x119.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Matthaus-Michaelik-GEO-AEO-Expert-Germany-800x634.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Matthaus-Michaelik-GEO-AEO-Expert-Germany-600x476.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 859px) 100vw, 859px\" \/><\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section><section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_small\" id=\"seogeo\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">Offpage SEO vs. AI Source Optimization<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"w-iconbox iconpos_top style_default color_primary align_center\"><div class=\"w-iconbox-icon\" style=\"font-size:2rem;\"><i class=\"fas fa-lightbulb-on\"><\/i><\/div><div class=\"w-iconbox-meta\"><h4 class=\"w-iconbox-title\">Offpage SEO<\/h4><div class=\"w-iconbox-text\"><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Offpage SEO was about building relevant backlinks. Particular attention was paid to ensuring that the backlinks came from &#8220;strong&#8221; websites with a high domain authority and that the links were marked with &#8220;Do-Follow&#8221;. A large shadow economy has developed around this backlink structure, buying, selling, renting or otherwise trading with backlinks. Buying backlinks violates Google guidelines and has caused many website crashes in the past. On the other hand, backlinks are particularly necessary for top rankings in competitive fields. Therefore, there are also many backlink strategies in the SEO world that go in the direction of digital PR, where you &#8220;earn&#8221; new links (Earned Media).     <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"w-iconbox iconpos_top style_default color_primary align_center\"><div class=\"w-iconbox-icon\" style=\"font-size:2rem;\"><i class=\"fas fa-lightbulb-on\"><\/i><\/div><div class=\"w-iconbox-meta\"><h4 class=\"w-iconbox-title\">AI Source Optimization<\/h4><div class=\"w-iconbox-text\"><p style=\"text-align: left;\">Source optimization in AI systems is also about external websites. But this work starts with a different perspective: Which sources are displayed for which relevant prompts? Because AI systems read the articles from websites (&#8220;Grounding&#8221;) and use the content to create their AI answers. So it&#8217;s about being mentioned in the articles on the other websites. One mention is enough. A backlink is no longer necessary for AI visibility &#8211; even if the link still makes sense, because website visitors also come via it and the old SEO ranking is strengthened. Whether the external websites are &#8220;strong&#8221; or &#8220;weak&#8221;, i.e. what domain authority they have, plays no role for AI relevance.      <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section><section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_small color_alternate\" id=\"quellen\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">What sources are used by AI systems?<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><p>AI systems use very different sources in grounding. These include: <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Journalistic articles from media<\/li>\n<li>Comparison portals and info portals<\/li>\n<li>Affiliate articles from blogs and publishers<\/li>\n<li>YouTube channels from creators and publishers<\/li>\n<li>Forum discussions on Reddit<\/li>\n<li>LinkedIn articles and postings<\/li>\n<li>Review platforms such as Trustpilot<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Every company and every project has its own profile here. In AI monitoring, the <strong>individual composition<\/strong> is systematically recorded and analyzed. General recommendations such as &#8220;You have to do more Reddit&#8221; are useless. It&#8217;s about developing a tailor-made strategy.   <\/p>\n<p>The subsequent measures are an interface discipline between PR, media, SEO, social. Who should take care of it is often unclear. We discussed the organizational challenges here: &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wer-kuemmert-sich-um-ki-quellen-ein-neues-feld-zwischen-pr-social-seo\/\">Who takes care of AI sources?<\/a>&#8221;  <\/p>\n<p>A related approach is to create new sources or citations yourself through digital PR. This could be your own surveys and studies, for example, for which you send out press releases. In a successful scenario, this in turn leads to mentions in the media. The contacts you make are complementary to those you need for AI source optimization, because AI systems often tap into websites from industry media. YouTube, Reddit and LinkedIn, on the other hand, fall more into the social media category.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"w-image align_none\"><a ref=\"magnificPopup\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Offpage-GEO-Examples-Beispiele-1.png\" aria-label=\"Offpage GEO Examples\" class=\"w-image-h\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1140\" height=\"1140\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Offpage-GEO-Examples-Beispiele-1.png\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Offpage GEO Examples\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Offpage-GEO-Examples-Beispiele-1.png 1485w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Offpage-GEO-Examples-Beispiele-1-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Offpage-GEO-Examples-Beispiele-1-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Offpage-GEO-Examples-Beispiele-1-1200x1200.png 1200w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Offpage-GEO-Examples-Beispiele-1-800x800.png 800w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Offpage-GEO-Examples-Beispiele-1-600x600.png 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1140px) 100vw, 1140px\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><p>In <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/ki-zeigt-quellen-du-beeinflusst-sie-neue-outreach-strategien\/\">this Academy Workshop<\/a> we analyzed a specific example from the B2B sector for an hour and derived recommendations for action.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><div class=\"w-btn-wrapper align_center\"><a class=\"w-btn us-btn-style_1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/en\/seo-academy\/\"><span class=\"w-btn-label\">Our GEO Academy<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section><section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_small\" id=\"datenprobleme\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">Data problems of the new AI monitoring tools<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><p>In the interview, Fabian Jaeckert and Benjamin O&#8217;Daniel and Matth\u00e4us Michalik discuss many other relevant aspects of GEO (Generative Engine Optimization). An important point: The data problems of the new AI monitoring tools. <\/p>\n<p>Simply put, the tools query the prompts in ChatGPT and read the answer. But ChatGPT cannot simply be &#8220;read out&#8221; by the external tools. After several queries, there is a downgrade. Then ChatGPT jumps back to a basic version (4.o). In this basic version, there is no more grounding, i.e. no more sources are output. Also, brands are often no longer recommended. Instead, there is only a short answer or counter-questions. However, these unusable AI answers are in turn read out by the tools and automatically fed into the monitoring.       <\/p>\n<p>The most important AI platform in the world is only read out in a rudimentary way. This only partially reflects reality, because many users are logged in and already receive better results from the newer models. There is an imbalance in the sources in the AI \u200b\u200bmonitoring tools. Perplexity, for example, is much more prominent in the sources than in the user market share.    <\/p>\n<p>Reading tip: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/posts\/matthaeus-michalik_warum-dich-dein-ai-tracking-tool-bel%C3%BCgt-activity-7414206616012726273-Jdd_?\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">LinkedIn posting by Matth\u00e4us and the discussion about it in the comments<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><p>Other topics we talk about:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>How can prompts be monitored cost-effectively?<\/li>\n<li>What role does content freshness play for AI citations?<\/li>\n<li>What relevance do advertorials have for the future in AI visibility?<\/li>\n<li>Is the &#8220;best&#8221; approach permanently valid?<\/li>\n<li>What are the weaknesses of current studies?<\/li>\n<li>What successes do gray hat methods like prompt injection have?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><div class=\"w-btn-wrapper align_center\"><a class=\"w-btn us-btn-style_1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/en\/hub\/geo-and-llmo\/\"><span class=\"w-btn-label\">GEO &amp; LLMO: The Overview<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section><section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_small color_primary\" id=\"onlinetraining\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-8 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h2>Free GEO Online Training<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Current Developments in AI Visibility<\/li>\n<li>From SEO to GEO<\/li>\n<li>How to Optimize for AI Systems<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_small\"><\/div><div class=\"w-btn-wrapper align_left\"><a class=\"w-btn us-btn-style_5\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/us02web.zoom.us\/webinar\/register\/6417580269065\/WN_-huWVuUyQWGuya0yM5GKUQ\" rel=\"noopener\"><span class=\"w-btn-label\">Select Appointment Now<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-4 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"w-image align_none\"><a href=\"https:\/\/us02web.zoom.us\/webinar\/register\/6417580269065\/WN_-huWVuUyQWGuya0yM5GKUQ\" aria-label=\"GEO Online Training Header (1001 x 667 px)\" class=\"w-image-h\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1001\" height=\"667\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/GEO-Online-Training-Header-1001-x-667-px.png\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/GEO-Online-Training-Header-1001-x-667-px.png 1001w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/GEO-Online-Training-Header-1001-x-667-px-300x200.png 300w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/GEO-Online-Training-Header-1001-x-667-px-150x100.png 150w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/GEO-Online-Training-Header-1001-x-667-px-800x533.png 800w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/GEO-Online-Training-Header-1001-x-667-px-600x400.png 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1001px) 100vw, 1001px\" \/><\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section><section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_small\" id=\"interviews\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h2 style=\"text-align: center;\">Our Conversations with SEO and GEO Professionals<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"w-separator size_medium\"><\/div><div class=\"w-grid us_grid type_grid layout_blog_10 cols_2 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As an in-house SEO expert, I sought competent SEO support and found it with them. During a very pleasant introductory meeting, we jointly developed an approach to establish SEO among the individual stakeholders and thereby gain more internal visibility for the subject. Based on this initial discussion and a joint kick-off with the stakeholders, they developed a sound SEO and content strategy for a product area. Since then, they have both supported me as sparring partners during implementation.<\/p>\n<p>The collaboration with Fabian and Benjamin is a great pleasure for me and all project participants, as they are masters of their craft and bring immense passion for SEO. This combination is infectious and motivates everyone to achieve peak performance.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"w-hwrapper usg_hwrapper_1 align_none valign_middle\" style=\"--hwrapper-gap: 1.2rem;\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_image usg_post_image_1 as_circle has_width stretched\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dkb.de\/\" aria-label=\"Regina Biskop, Deutsche Kreditbank AG\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/regina-b-3-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/regina-b-3-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/regina-b-3-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/regina-b-3-800x800.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/regina-b-3-600x600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/regina-b-3.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-vwrapper usg_vwrapper_2 align_none valign_top\" style=\"--vwrapper-gap: 0.7rem; --vwrapper-parent-gap: 0.7rem;\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_custom_field usg_post_custom_field_1 type_text us_testimonial_author\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dkb.de\/\" rel=\"noopener\"><span class=\"w-post-elm-value\">Regina Biskop<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-post-elm post_custom_field usg_post_custom_field_2 has_text_color type_text us_testimonial_role color_link_inherit\"><span class=\"w-post-elm-value\">Search Engine Optimization Expert, Deutsche Kreditbank AG<\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t<\/article>\r\n<\/div>\t<div class=\"w-grid-preloader\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"g-preloader type_1\">\r\n\t\t\t<div><\/div>\r\n\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-json hidden\" onclick='return {&quot;action&quot;:&quot;us_ajax_grid&quot;,&quot;infinite_scroll&quot;:0,&quot;max_num_pages&quot;:1,&quot;pagination&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;template_vars&quot;:{&quot;columns&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;exclude_items&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;img_size&quot;:&quot;default&quot;,&quot;ignore_items_size&quot;:0,&quot;items_layout&quot;:&quot;testimonial_1&quot;,&quot;items_offset&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;load_animation&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;overriding_link&quot;:&quot;%7B%22url%22%3A%22%22%7D&quot;,&quot;post_id&quot;:0,&quot;query_args&quot;:{&quot;post_type&quot;:[&quot;us_testimonial&quot;],&quot;tax_query&quot;:[{&quot;taxonomy&quot;:&quot;us_testimonial_category&quot;,&quot;field&quot;:&quot;slug&quot;,&quot;terms&quot;:[&quot;dkb&quot;]}],&quot;post_status&quot;:[&quot;publish&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-success&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-failed&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-schedule&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-pending&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-draft&quot;],&quot;posts_per_page&quot;:&quot;1&quot;},&quot;orderby_query_args&quot;:{&quot;orderby&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;DESC&quot;}},&quot;type&quot;:&quot;grid&quot;,&quot;us_grid_post_type&quot;:&quot;us_testimonial&quot;,&quot;us_grid_ajax_index&quot;:3,&quot;us_grid_filter_query_string&quot;:null,&quot;us_grid_index&quot;:3,&quot;page_args&quot;:[],&quot;lang&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}}'><\/div>\r\n\t<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-6 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"w-grid us_grid type_grid layout_testimonial_1 cols_1 preload_style_spinner\" id=\"us_grid_4\" style=\"--columns:1;--gap:1.5rem;\" data-filterable=\"true\"><div class=\"w-grid-list\">\t<article class=\"w-grid-item size_1x1 post-30806 us_testimonial type-us_testimonial status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry us_testimonial_category-bierbaum us_testimonial_category-clients\" data-id=\"30806\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-item-h\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"w-vwrapper usg_vwrapper_1 align_none valign_top\" style=\"--vwrapper-gap: 0.7rem;\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_content usg_post_content_1\" data-usbid=\"post_content_root_container\"><section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_small\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><p>I look back with great satisfaction on the SEO project that we carried out with Benjamin and Fabian. Firstly, the collaboration was on a very pleasant, goal-oriented level. Secondly, the consultation was structured in such a way that we could immediately start with the implementation. We received very concrete optimization suggestions that were tailored to our internal capacities and therefore realistically implementable. Even though only a few months have passed, we can already see the first results of our work in the Google rankings. Traffic for our relevant keywords is steadily increasing, and we still have enough concrete work packages from Benjamin in the pipeline to boost our site. Furthermore, through the consultation, we have acquired so much internal SEO know-how that we can now optimize our site independently. And most importantly: Visitor numbers have doubled \u2013 with correspondingly positive effects on sales.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section>\n<\/div><div class=\"w-hwrapper usg_hwrapper_1 align_none valign_middle\" style=\"--hwrapper-gap: 1.2rem;\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_image usg_post_image_1 as_circle has_width stretched\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bp-online.com\/de-de\/\" aria-label=\"Mark Mauderer, Digital Marketing Manager, Bierbaum Proenen\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/mark_m-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/mark_m-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/mark_m-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/mark_m-600x600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.jaeckert-odaniel.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/mark_m.jpg 686w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-vwrapper usg_vwrapper_2 align_none valign_top\" style=\"--vwrapper-gap: 0.7rem; --vwrapper-parent-gap: 0.7rem;\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_custom_field usg_post_custom_field_1 type_text us_testimonial_author\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bp-online.com\/de-de\/\" rel=\"noopener\"><span class=\"w-post-elm-value\">Mark Mauderer<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-post-elm post_custom_field usg_post_custom_field_2 has_text_color type_text us_testimonial_role color_link_inherit\"><span class=\"w-post-elm-value\">Digital Marketing Manager, Bierbaum Proenen <\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t<\/article>\r\n<\/div>\t<div class=\"w-grid-preloader\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"g-preloader type_1\">\r\n\t\t\t<div><\/div>\r\n\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-json hidden\" onclick='return {&quot;action&quot;:&quot;us_ajax_grid&quot;,&quot;infinite_scroll&quot;:0,&quot;max_num_pages&quot;:1,&quot;pagination&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;template_vars&quot;:{&quot;columns&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;exclude_items&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;img_size&quot;:&quot;default&quot;,&quot;ignore_items_size&quot;:0,&quot;items_layout&quot;:&quot;testimonial_1&quot;,&quot;items_offset&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;load_animation&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;overriding_link&quot;:&quot;%7B%22url%22%3A%22%22%7D&quot;,&quot;post_id&quot;:0,&quot;query_args&quot;:{&quot;post_type&quot;:[&quot;us_testimonial&quot;],&quot;tax_query&quot;:[{&quot;taxonomy&quot;:&quot;us_testimonial_category&quot;,&quot;field&quot;:&quot;slug&quot;,&quot;terms&quot;:[&quot;bierbaum&quot;]}],&quot;post_status&quot;:[&quot;publish&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-success&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-failed&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-schedule&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-pending&quot;,&quot;tribe-ea-draft&quot;],&quot;posts_per_page&quot;:&quot;1&quot;},&quot;orderby_query_args&quot;:{&quot;orderby&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;DESC&quot;}},&quot;type&quot;:&quot;grid&quot;,&quot;us_grid_post_type&quot;:&quot;us_testimonial&quot;,&quot;us_grid_ajax_index&quot;:4,&quot;us_grid_filter_query_string&quot;:null,&quot;us_grid_index&quot;:4,&quot;page_args&quot;:[],&quot;lang&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}}'><\/div>\r\n\t<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section><section 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